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Verstappen: Villeneuve should watch what he says, because he killed someone

Verstappen: Villeneuve should watch what he says, because he killed someone

Verstappen: Villeneuve should watch what he says, because he killed someone

Formula 1 world rounded on Max Verstappen after Sunday’s Belgian grand prix, insisting the Dutchman is driving too recklessly.

The young sensation recently hit out at Former F1 world champion Jacques Villeneuve over criticism of his aggressive driving.

Villeneuve gave an interview to motorsport.com and says that the absence of punishment over Verstappen’s dangerous driving suggests the young guy is getting “protection” from the Formula 1 governing body FIA.

Verstappen was asked about the criticism ahead of the Italian GP, and hit back in straightforward style.

“He should watch a little with his statements that someone dies, because he himself has killed someone,” said Verstappen, referring to the race marshal who died at the Australian Grand Prix in 2001 when hit by debris from Villeneuve’s car.

“He has to look at himself. I think what he says is not respectful to the family of the deceased marshal.”

Verstappen getting protection from FIA

“It looks like he’s got protection. They want him to be a star, “said Villeneuve, adding that his problem with what happened at the first corner in Belgium was as much about Verstappen’s reaction than it was about the incident itself.

“Mostly if you had a bad start, just accept it. But that is not what’s bad. It’s after that, he complains about other drivers: ‘They destroyed my race’,” he added.

“Relax, relax. You know you took a big risk [by going up the inside] and it did not pay off. You destroyed their race and you destroyed your own race. That’s fine. That’s life.”

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98 Comments
  • I’m just not interested in anything you have to say any more.
    Just
    understand this…. Nothing you can ever say will take away how
    potentially dangerous Max’s move’s are and he is right to be called out
    on it by anyone. It’s as simple as that.
    You can argue all sorts of
    other off-topic stuff to your hearts content but nothing will change
    that fact. If you can’t see that then you have no clue about motor
    racing.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I am defending the truth, not the man. When you work that out you will know why you have to resort to insults rather than facts.

  • Lord Lusos

    Last awnser for you (the adults have other things to do) you are a fanboy, just look to the number of post’s you have make just to defend the crazy boy, and that is a FACT! You don’t like my opinion? I won’t give a FUCK about yours and what you think… if you have that ability! Goodbye fanboy!

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Fact boy not fan buy. There is a huge difference. A fan boy, like a hater, has no logical reasons for their opinion. A fact boy has only logical reasons for their opinion. That is why you only post insults and nothing to support them. That is a fact as can be observed here. See, I did it again. I have given an opinion and supported it with facts.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    All F1 moves are dangerous. They are even more dangerous when one driver assumes they know what the other driver will do. Kimi’s assumption that Max will let him past was dangerous. As was JV’s assumption about Ralf’s braking point. Get over it.

    And give up your story that you won’t read my posts. That is the action of someone who hasn’t got a valid argument but can’t accept that. You basically want YOUR rules to apply to F1 drivers and you can’t stand that they don’t. I get it. That is pretty funny.

  • Didn’t read this and I won’t be reading any subsequent posts of yours. I’m just not interested in anything you have to say any more.
    Just understand this…. Nothing you can ever say will take away how potentially dangerous Max’s move’s are and he is right to be called out on it by anyone. It’s as simple as that.
    You can argue all sorts of other off-topic stuff to your hearts content but nothing will change that fact. If you can’t see that then you have no clue about motor racing. Your love for all things Max clouds your vision.

    If I was you I wouldn’t waste your time replying, I won’t read that either and I’ll just re-iterate what I’ve said here word for word.
    Bye bye means bye bye.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    You can’t drive in F1 for a future rule that does not exist. That is insane.

    There is NO RULE about the braking zone. Charlie has said this publicly. Stop it.

    F1 is dangerous. The best rule is that they drive the cars by remote control. If you want, then Max should have been in the pits driving by remote control, to meet this future rule that is about safety.

    If everything was NOT Ok then Charlie would have told the stewards to investigate his driving and he would have been given a BLACK flag. That didn’t happen as Charlie didn’t see anything at the time that was a problem.

    Only AFTER Kimi complained, and Vettel said something to Charlie, to appease these people, Charlie said that he MIGHT have told the stewards to CONSIDER giving Max a black and white flag, and that is just a WARNING.

    If what Max did was so bad that it contravened the rules of safe driving, then Charlie would not have said that Max broke no rules.

    You keep thinking that what Max did was wrong, because YOU didn’t like it. Even Bernie Ecclestone supported Max. Alonso also. And Hamilton. You can’t get that YOU don’t decide the rules.

    So give it up. You are talking about a future F1 that you want to exist, and expecting Max to drive to that standard that YOU created in your mind. That is why you are wrong at every step. Max doesn’t drive to what Kimi wants, or Vettel wants, or what you want. He drives to the rules, and so far he has done a great job, won heaps of fans, and didn’t cause any crashes (I blame Grosjean for Monaco but you can argue that one).

  • I’m not attacking Max, I’m objecting to these 2 particular incidents (Hungary and Spa). Other than that I like the guy and think he’s a pretty exciting driver.
    It’s only legal when it’s not in the braking zone as In Spa but once he goes too far and causes a huge crash, the rule will be changed. Unfortunately as usual, it always happens after the fact instead of being preventative as in Jules Bianchi’s case when rules regarding recovery vehicles were changed.
    The fact that it is currently legal doesn’t mean it’s not overly dangerous.
    It’s probably legal because pretty much all of the other drivers don’t pull moves like that.

    It’s all ok until something happens right ?
    If everything was a-ok then Charlie Whiting wouldn’t have pulled Max aside in the first place and no-one would be complaining about it.
    So the fact that they are means there is a reason behind it.
    You can argue the toss all day long but you won’t change my opinion on it.
    It’s an overly dangerous move which if they want to make F1 safe and use pussy things like halo’s etc. then there has to be consistency.
    Otherwise throw out a lot of the on-track infringement rules, engine penalities etc and let them race with impunity.
    F1 is a pussified version of what it once was so telling Max to stop doing what he’s doing is well in line with that.
    You can’t let him put other drivers at risk like that on one hand and talk of halo devices on the other. You’re either for safety or you’re not and if you are then Max’s moves need to be curtailed. It’s that simple.
    Plus Max is a dick for what he said back about JV.

    Bye bye.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I don’t see any danger in Max’s driving beyond any other legal defensive move on a racetrack by any driver. In any defensive move the other driver has to brake or turn to avoid contact. Big deal. That is racing! The only reason Kimi complained was he was surprised by Max’s LEGAL move.

    I do know what Charlie said as it was in a live interview on Sky. He said to the camera that Max did not break any rules. So how about you accept that fact and stop your attacking of Max regardless of the rules, and regardless of what Charlie actually said.

  • You didn’t answer my question.

    Clearly you see no potential danger here in Max’s driving which, for me, takes away all your credibility as someone who might know what their talking about.

    Also you have no idea what Charlie Whiting said because you weren’t there but your version of it certainly doesn’t tally with what I’ve heard and I wasn’t there either.
    You may also want to familiarise yourself with Regulation 20.5 which states “20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.”

    Changes of direction in the braking zones can very well be considered an ‘abnormal change of direction’. I’m referring to Hungary here nor Spa.

    Kimi didn’t cry, he complained because had to brake to avoid what would otherwise have been an inevitable accident.

    It’s clear to me that your only interest here is to defend Max regardless of anything else. For that alone you’re not worth any more of my time.
    I would even suggest that if Max does this again and causes a huge accident, you’d still be here defending him to the hilt.
    The kid needs to learn to respect other drivers, it’s as simple as that.

    I’m done with you. I don’t choose to spend any more time talking to a brick wall.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Charlie said that no rule exists that talks about two moves in the braking zone. He also said that Max broke no rules. Kimi should have expected the move. I’ve seen loads of drivers make these unexpected moves on a straight. I saw Nico pull this move on Lewis this year in Spain. You can actually see Nico wait for Lewis to move, then move himself. But Kimi cried on the radio about it. Because for a lot of drivers the DRS move is something they have given up defending. Not Max. And be clear, all that Chalie said was that he MIGHT have referred the matter to the stewards who MIGHT have given Max a WARNING flag. That’s not even a penalty. That is how little they see this incident.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    In an esses situation it is hard for the lead driver to get a penalty, as they touch the apex and follow the racing line to the edge of the track. But that is also them moving to the apex of the next part of the corner. So the stewards are less likely to give a penalty on the second part of esses. This is because Kimi should still have been giving Max a car’s width on the exit and didn’t, while that is also the entry to the next part of the esses. So typically the driver first into the esses will be seen as the favored one by the rules throughout the esses. As Max was on the apex side of the first part of the esses that is him.

    The stewards can’t just make up rules. They can’t randomly hand out penalties for fun. But many said Max should have been punished because he broke the rules. That is not true.

    Also Max never failed in his dive bomb attempt. He was beside Kimi for 30 meters before the corner, he braked at the same rate as Kimi, he never lost traction, locked up a wheel or overshot the corner. Max turned in when Kimi turned in onto him. So Max was in control the whole time. So where does this constitute a failed dive bomb, other than in your mind?

  • MetalQuintessence

    Stewards can interpret the rules any way they deem proper.
    Drivers usually get handed penalties for dive bombing fail attempts.
    Depends on the situation and the steward.
    I don’t think that this particular situation needs that much discussion, rather the moves with which the dutch drove Raikkonen and Perez out the track are rather interesting.
    The rules are clear you cannot drive pilots off the track with out a proper reason, and revenge ain’t one.
    Either way, that’s said and done tho. 😛

  • Lord Lusos

    Ahahahahah! Lol! You make me laugh fanboy… a LOT!

  • Of course Kimi was assuming Max wouldn’t move across. That’s why he went for the pass. You have to have faith the the other driver isn’t going to drive that dangerously.
    Max waits for the drive behind to decide which way he’s going to pass and then he moves to block. No other driver on the grid drives like that. There’s a reason for that.
    Time that wrong or if the car behind can’t react in time at over 300kph and you have a sure-fire flying car.

    But anyway, what it comes down to is that you think Max’s late move off the driving line, sometimes in the braking zone which is not allowed (like in Hungary), is not dangerous and he should not be criticised by any of the drivers (or ex-drivers) for it. Nor should he have been warned by Charlie Whiting.
    Is that what you’re saying ?

    You’re missing the point here with JV. Firstly JV’s accident is NOT the topic here. How it happened, why it happen, who’s at fault, is all completely irrelevant.
    JV could be someone who’s never sat in a car before and he’s still be correct in stating that Max’s moves are dangerous.

    Maybe he’s criticising Max to highlight that the same could happen to him if he continues to drive like that – big accident, wheel hitting someone in the crowd – and then what ?
    In that case JV speaks from experience and is therefore well qualified to make his statement.
    But as I said if JV had never crashed in his life he’d still be correct in his criticisms. Because he just is.

    Like Max, maybe it will take a serious accident for you to realise it too.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Or not. It’s like a thief telling someone to not steal. Max had a big shunt at Monaco hitting the car in front. Does that make Max an expert? And given that JV was the rear driver who missed the braking zone he’s more at fault than Ralf. It could be argued that Kimi was the one being dangerous by lazily assuming Max would not move. Anyway the point was Max was misquoted, and JV killed someone with his reckless driving.

  • This is not about JV’s crash, only Max made it so and now you’re towing the line. In fact, if anything, that JV was involved in that accident gives him even more reason to criticise Max. He was right to do so.

    “The simple truth is that when you hit another car at 300 kph then you might kill someone.”

    Which is exactly why JV was right to criticise Max.

    With Max’s driving if he causes a big shunt we could say the very same words that you just did.. “if MV wasn’t so aggressive he would not have hit (whoever), and the crash would never have happened.”

    His defending is too aggressive and dangerous. Moving across late when the car behind is committing to a pass is a recipe for disaster. Luckily it hasn’t happened yet.
    Even Charlie Whiting has had to tell him to stop it.

    You can argue it any way you want, it makes no difference. JV is 100% right in this and his own crash as nothing to do with it other than he has his own experience of what can happen so he knows more than most what he’s talking about, wouldn’t you say ?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    It’s just logic from observing your actions.

  • Lord Lusos

    My incorrect position from your fanatic point of view!

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Yeah right. You crash a car at 300 kph due to going too close to the car in front and you are NOT in control of the car as it flies through the air. You caused the crash. Maybe nothing happens, like with Alonso and Gutierez. Maybe someone dies. You don’t know either way. But what we do know is that if JV wasn’t so aggressive he would not have hit RS, and the crash would never have happened. Then the marshall would have lived. That is the truth. You can make up all this mumbo jumbo about controlling cars and not controlling debris, but that is just stubbornness or ignorance. The simple truth is that when you hit another car at 300 kph then you might kill someone.

  • There is a difference when your car makes contact with another to cause an accident and when a piece of debris comes up and happens to hit someone.
    You are driving and in control of the car but you are not in control of where the debris goes.
    This has got nothing to do with having it both ways. There is a clear difference that you’re just not understanding whether it be through stubbornness or just ignorance.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Driving up the rear of a car into the braking zone at 300kph is really dangerous. JV did it, caused a crash, killed someone. But you say it was not JV’s fault. So no crash is anyone’s fault. Either Max did a dangerous thing, and so did JV, or Max and JV didn’t do anything dangerous. Take your pick. You don’t get to have it both ways.

  • You didn’t have a point. If you had I just ridiculed it.
    JV has good reason to criticise Max’s moves because they’re dangerous.
    Many others agree with him.
    Accidents do happen but why increase the risk uneccessarily ?

    If Max did cause a big accident you could most definitely lay the blame at his feet and left unchecked there’ll be many saying ‘I told you so’.

    Come back to me when you can start to make some actual sense.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually if you look around there are lots of people defending Max. Alonso did it. Hamilton did it. Do those people count? Bernie Ecclestone said the rules for overtaking were a joke and destroying the sport (they are FIA rules not FOM rules). So yeah, lots of really important people are defending Max. But hey, when they find out you are not… Haaaaaaa.

    Now let’s see what happened to others. First lap no one gets a penalty unless you are Grosjean. Then Kimi and Max clashed on the esses. Kimi went off track and cut the chicane. If Kimi was considered to be pushed off unfairly by Max then he would be allowed to keep the place. Did that happen? No, Kimi was told to give the place back, as his move was NOT OK.

    Vettel then said sorry to Kimi for his first lap MISTAKE and Kimi said that in future they will leave more room on the first corner of a race. So they admitted fault.

    But hey, this is totally different to your rant that Max broke the rules. You can twist it as much as you want, the FACT is that you were wrong. Max was within the rules and at worst might have got a warning, nothing more.

    A few races before Alonso got a warning for exceeding the track limits. Then another warning. These warnings are just warnings, not punishments. Alonso pushed it to the limit. Two warnings do NOT affect his race. A third warning would. So Alonso stayed within the limits AFTER his two warnings. That is what a GREAT driver does. They push everything to the limit.

    I know you don’t get that. You can’t stand that Max is better than Kimi. You will find anything to justify your hatred of Max. But the reality is, as Charlie said, Max broke NO RULES. So Max is the winner and you are the loser. Now please, stop your squirming around the truth, leave me alone and go change that avatar to a big gelato.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Exactly. You have nothing but empty insults to defend your incorrect position.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    No I just know the rules and he didn’t brake them despite all the cry baby Kimi fans who think otherwise. It’s funny how much people can’t accept that truth.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Charlie said he MIGHT have asked the stewards to review it to MAYBE give Max a black and white flag which is just a WARNING. Haaaa. That is not a penalty. Get it yet?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually you can’t argue if Max had right of way, as the rules are clear. Which is why it’s funny that you think it can be argued.

  • Lord Lusos

    This isn’t a court of law, i have to prove nothing! If you don’t like of want i said IT’s YOUR PROBLEM I WON’T GIVE A F*CK! PISS OFF!

  • MetalQuintessence

    “And for Red Bull the move paid off. The two Ferraris though that they would end up P2 and P3. Instead Dan got P3, and Red Bull extended their lead over Ferrari.”
    I didn’t said anything about RB, I said about Max, who ended out of the points, which for me means his move didn’t paid well. And such tactic of taking other cars out to push 1 of your pilots is not really very sporty and acceptable, but I guess that’s the things you wanna see and your way you have stuff done.

    “Max was ON THE TRACK 30 meters before the corner INSIDE Kimi. Therefore for 30 meters before the corner Max had the right of way”
    Actually you can debate whether he had or had not right over the corner, hence he was always behind Kimi and most what he did was just a divebomb.
    Applying the same logic, you can argue that Kimi had the right of the corner in Russia when they crashed with Bottas, but he got a penalty for that. Verstappen did 2 of these divebombs at Kimi and only evaded second another contact bcs Raikkonen backed off and did everything possible, unlike Verstappen barely making the corner then.

    What he did in the 1st corner was very risky and he also has his share of responsibility for that.

  • MetalQuintessence

    “He’s no sitting duck, even if you’re fully charged & DRS, he defends, he’s ruthless, he makes you work hard for your money. That’s what I like to see.”

    Now you speak like this, but that’s only bcs other drivers respect their unwritten code of conduct. Will be funny if Max and Bottas get a moment together tomorrow. If all drove like Max there would be a lot less overtakes and a lot more incidents. And if everyone else defended that way, then poor Max wouldn’t have been able to make half his overtakes through his F1 career. And driving pilots out of the track isn’t a proper clean racing neither. If you want to be “ruthless”, there are stuff like demolition derby and shit like that. Where you are not the only one who’s smashing asses.

  • Kjkb

    You say you know the rules of F1 but all your comments are biased to Max Verstappen you defend him to the extreme seems like an unhealthy obsession to me

  • Wiesdom

    Max is 100% right. But hurt Kimi, Daniel Ricardo fans get over it

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Exactly. So JV should get off Max’s case. Because racing is dangerous. And you can’t always lay the blame at anyone’s feet. Accidents happen. Thanks for proving my point.

  • Hey if that’s how you reason it then you can also blame all the other drivers for it too.
    If they (or any other person) weren’t racing then F1 wouldn’t exist and therefore Villeneuve wouldn’t be racing and the marshall would still be alive.

    No wait… if Earths gravity had been different, the debris would have taken different paths and may not have killed the marshall. Lets blame gravity.

    No wait…. if the marshall had been ill at home that weekend, he wouldn’t have been killed.

    As IF you can blame the driver for where the debris lands ffs !
    Maybe you need to think about that.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    From Motorsport Dot Com

    Here is the full transcript of the questions to Verstappen – and his responses – said in Dutch with a translation below.

    Villeneuve zegt dat je beschermd wordt.

    Villeneuve says you get protection.

    “Maar hij moet een beetje oppassen met zijn uitspraken over dat iemand doodgaat want hij heeft zelf iemand doodgereden. Dus hij moet gewoon even rustig doen.”

    “But he has to watch his words a little with his statements about that someone will die because he himself ‘drove someone to death’ [No direct English translation]. So he just needs to calm down for a bit.”

    Daar erger je dus aan, daar wind je je wel over op.

    So this bothers you, this does wind you up.

    “Nee, uiteindelijk niet maar hij moet gewoon wel even naar zichzelf kijken naar wat hij in zijn carrière heeft gedaan. Ik vind het niet respectvol naar de familie toe van de persoon die overleden is.”

    “In the end, no, but he just needs to take a look at himself, to what he has done in his career. I find it disrespectful towards the family of the person who died.”

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    It seems that Max was misquoted and HE actually talked about being respectful of the family of the person who died.

    From Motorsport Dot Com

    Here is the full transcript of the questions to Verstappen – and his responses – said in Dutch with a translation below.

    Villeneuve zegt dat je beschermd wordt.

    Villeneuve says you get protection.

    “Maar hij moet een beetje oppassen met zijn uitspraken over dat iemand doodgaat want hij heeft zelf iemand doodgereden. Dus hij moet gewoon even rustig doen.”

    “But he has to watch his words a little with his statements about that someone will die because he himself ‘drove someone to death’ [No direct English translation]. So he just needs to calm down for a bit.”

    Daar erger je dus aan, daar wind je je wel over op.

    So this bothers you, this does wind you up.

    “Nee, uiteindelijk niet maar hij moet gewoon wel even naar zichzelf kijken naar wat hij in zijn carrière heeft gedaan. Ik vind het niet respectvol naar de familie toe van de persoon die overleden is.”

    “In the end, no, but he just needs to take a look at himself, to what he has done in his career. I find it disrespectful towards the family of the person who died.”

  • Alohakakahiaka

    I want to watch racing drivers race each other to the limit – not pussies. good job Max!

  • Michael

    This kid is a talented driver, no doubt. But, this comment is a classless, childish, and foolish thing to say. Red Bull will need to educate him on public speaking.

    People’s perception of him, along with his marketability, will drop like a rock if he continues behaving like a petulant, entitled little boy.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Yeah right. Nice back track. See the words “I was wrong” on my comment. I didn’t get what you were bit-ching about my profile for, as I thought it was a pointless distraction. Which it was. But once I did I changed it. Not that there is a rule that my avatar has to match my name, but I decided to be the better man and change it. When will yours be a giant ice cream?

    You made LOADS of comments about how Max broke the rules. And now you say it is because Charlie is doing that because of Max’s popularity. Laughable. Do you know that the stewards are the ones that invoke the penalties? Charlie can only suggest to them that a penalty is needed in a certain situation. He cannot MAKE them give a penalty. And also they can penalize a driver without Charlie involved. So three stewards, who are not used any other time in the season, decided to give Max the benefit of the doubt for popularity reasons. You cannot make this s#!t up!

    Anyway, laughing at your psychotic refusal to apply the rules of F1 to F1, and watching you take a paranoid attack on my avatar has been funny. I needed a distraction from some serious work issues I am resolving, and you provided that. Now that need is gone. You are a joke and I thank you for that as you made me laugh many times.

    So ciao, good luck with screaming at the TV saying “That should have been a penalty.” Maybe if you scream loud enough, Charlie might hear you. Which won’t matter as he does not hand out the penalties, the stewards do that. But hey, why not try to yell really loud and they might hear you. Really, just try it. Ciao.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    BTW Charlie just said on Sky that Max broke no rules. He just asked Max to turn down the aggression slightly. No warning. No penalty. Just a polite question. And an admission that Max broke NO rules. Haaaaaaa. You are wrong again.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Wow you are dumb. I admitted that my avatar was wrong, and changed it. And you say I can’t admit when I am wrong! You have been wrong for three days about Max and you still won’t admit it. You are a joke.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    That one bored me also, so now it’s just a picture of the man himself. Sadly due to the circle that the image goes into, like you, he has no hands.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually I didn’t like the gelato so I changed it again to an actual fibonacci sequence. I hope that this allows you to sleep at night.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I changed my profile picture to a giant gelato. Happy now?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Yes. That was silly to assume that. I notice that your profile picture is not of a giant gelato. What is with that? And where are your hands?

    Now seriously, how crazy are you to turn the discussion to my profile picture and not the many errors you have made in the Max Verstappen situation?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    FYI, Numero in Italian means one number, not the Fibonacci sequence. Since one of the Fibonacci numbers is in the image it’s ok. Numeri would be the plural this suggesting the sequence. But I didn’t use that as my profile name.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Ummm. It was a “5” that is not clearly seen. I was wrong. Google “Pascal’s triangle Wikipedia” and you will see the original image. Then you can go back to talking BS about F1 and not my profile image.

    Oh and there you will see that the numbers in my profile image are correct. So once again you will have been… wrong.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I had a look at my profile picture and there are two tiny dots representing the 6’s that you say are missing. Clearly cut off by Disqus using a circle for profile pictures. So they are there, if you are able to look with an attention to detail. Sadly none of your hands are in your profile picture. So I shall forever imagine you as a man without hands, who is known as Big Ice Cream.

    What I really notice is how you have been wrong time and time again, and all you can do is attack my profile picture, rather than talk factually about F1. I know who you are. I know that the words “I was wrong” don’t exist in your vocabulary. I also know that you are wrong. Many times over.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    What square what circle? Haaaaa. Your profile picture doesn’t show your HANDS. Does that mean you have no hands? WTF????

    Do you know that the Fibonacci numbers go on FOREVER. Therefore if I fitted those numbers into the circle, then the NEXT ROW of numbers would be missing, or the circle would cut off the ends of that next row of numbers.

    I mean HOW DUMB ARE YOU?

    RS was weaving for the 3 SECONDS before that straight. Watch it again. He made a slight weave to tell JV that he is going left, right, left. That is in the days when the “one move” rule did not exist. So JV stuck close, missed the braking mark, hit RS, flew in the air and killed a marshall.

    Had JV been SMART he would have held back, knowing the risks. Instead he stayed in there, too close, and killed someone.

    Go back and watch the second video from 15 seconds onwards. You will see RS on the left, go over to the right, back to the middle, then move slightly back and forth (left wheel versus lines) right up until the moment he brakes. It is there. JUST LOOK.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Google this “Crash of jaques villeneuve melbourne 2001 Youtube.” It is the 52 second long video. It is from inside JV’s car. Look from 19 seconds to 23 seconds, to see Ralf moving from the left to the right, then back to the middle of the the track.

    You can also google “Formula 1 : Accidente de Jacques Villeneuve on board – GP Australia 2001 Youtube” Watch from about 15 seconds onward. Ralf moves about, giving JV uncertainty. JV stays close, RS brakes and JV goes airborne, and kills a marshall. Watch RS’s rear left tire relative to the white lines on the track. It goes left and right of that line as RS moves around. I have been around that track, the white line does not move around randomly, it was RS moving around. Therefore it is wise for JV to hang back. Instead he goes right up behind RS and hits him when RS brakes. Aggressive driving from JV causing a death.

    As for the Fibonacci numbers, Disqus turns any square image into a circle. Therefore the numbers you refer to are there, but Disqus chopped them off. Maybe you can’t see the circle. It seems that you can’t see a lot of things. I mean how funny is that. You don’t get that a pyramid structure does not fit into a circle. And you actually took time to let me know that. Wow.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Hey does your profile name mean “big jelly” or “big ice cream” in Latin or something like that? Like Gelato Colossus.

  • Martin Faber

    Verstappen isn’t really saying much at all, it only an answer to a question asked by a journalist.

    The key thing Verstappen is saying ‘clean up your own mess before picking on others’, that was what his reaction was after the race and that’s what he’s saying to Villenueve.

    Note this is not an incident, Villeneuve has been on Verstappens case even before he driver one single meter in F1 and Raikkonen has been complaining about every other race. Verstappen is just saying ‘get of my case’ .

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Where are your facts? Where are your explanations of the situation? Where are your reference to images or videos, to rules, to rulings? Where is anything other than your opinion and insults? I see nothing.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I have debunked every theory you have had, with images, references to articles about the racing line, the exact wording of the rules, details of events since the race, and yet you come here again acting like you know something. That is laughable. Maybe you want to look in the mirror and ask what sort of person keeps on lying when they are so clearly wrong?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    JV did what Kimi did. Came too close to the car in front and misjudged the movement. Alonso did that with Gutierez earlier this year, had a huge crash and Alonso said that it was NOT Gutierez fault. WOW do you get that? Not the fault of the car in front.

    I have watched the video and just before the crash, RS is moving left to right and back again. Therefore it is the job of JV to be careful. He was not. And JV caused the crash, and killed someone.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    If JV was not up the behind of Ralf, trying to get past on a high speed part of the track, being aggressive in his effort to pass Ralf, then the crash would not have happened. Therefore the aggressive driving of JV contributed to the crash, and a Marshall died. That is what JV was saying Max could do, but JV has actually done it.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Kimi was told to give the place back to Max after he went off at the chicane. Kimi didn’t do that. He waited until just before they got to the DRS zone so that when he gave the place back, he then picked up the DRS and attacked Max again. That is not specifically against the rules but it does push the rule that you have to give the place back immediately. Then directly after Kimi pushed the rules to get an advantage over Max, then Max pushed back. This is after Kimi broke the rules at the start by not leaving a car’s width to Max, but rather turned in on Max. So Kimi pushes the rules, brakes the rules and Max pushes the rules. But you think Max is wrong and Kimi is right. Sad.

    And FYI Max never brake checked him. He made a legal move on the straight as he is entitled to do. He never braked. Just moved. Max experienced a brake test at Monaco when Grosjean slowed earlier than usual for the corner. That caused Max to crash heavily. So Max KNOWS what this is like.

    As for JB and Wehrlein, Pascal said that JB moved to the left so he went to the right to overtake, and JB cut back across to the right. And you blame that on Wehrlein. So on that basis Kimi would have been at fault if he hit Max. Same move as what JB did. But it seems like you want to cherry pick every situation and state that is was “clearly” one driver’s fault. Yet you don’t even know the rules.

    Do you recall when Kimi was qualifying at Spa, and a car spun at the top of Eau Rouge, and there was just smoke. Kimi came up to that smoke full speed, could not see the car in front, where it was. And he just kept his foot flat to the floor and went through the smoke at full speed. If the other driver was in a spun car on the other side of the smoke they probably both would have died. So when you call Kimi a safe driver, I suggest you learn F1 history.

    Do you recall Kimi diving up the inside of cars in Monaco on the last lap? Totally acceptable moves. Then Max does that to Kimi and suddenly Max is at fault. Hypocritical I would say.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    No, just a fan that knows the rules of F1.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    How dumb are you? Max was ON THE TRACK 30 meters before the corner INSIDE Kimi. Therefore for 30 meters before the corner Max had the right of way. And then at the corner he was inside the white line when Kimi turned in on him. That move is against the rules as Kimi has to leave Max a car’s width between him and the white line. Then to avoid Kimi Max put one wheel over the white line. Then Vettle hits Kimi who hits Max. That pushes Max’s other wheel over the white line. THEN you say that Max is at fault as both his wheels are over the white line.

    That is like blaming someone who gets shot for getting in the way of the bullet after it is fired. You are so desperate to make Max wrong you will ignore all the events leading up to Max going off the track and just point at that one moment. That is either blatant lies or delusion.

    Sky said that what Max did was WITHIN the rules. So once again you seem to be unaware of reality. And for Red Bull the move paid off. The two Ferraris though that they would end up P2 and P3. Instead Dan got P3, and Red Bull extended their lead over Ferrari.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    A kid doesn’t say something and back it up with facts. As I do that I am not a kid. You on the other hand make statements as if they are the truth without any facts to support those arguments. Like a kid.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    If that is the case then Max was not at fault for his driving against Kimi. Which is the whole point. If JV sticking his nose up the behind of Ralf on a high speed part of the track, and Ralf drifting from left to right, to the middle then to the right again, does not make Ralf at fault, then Max is also not at fault. Therefore Max was right to tell JV to get lost.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Once again it seems that you can’t watch F1 with your eyes open. Ralf went from the left side apex to the right side edge, then to the middle of the track, then moved back towards the right edge again.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually the argument made against Max’s driving is that if Kimi hit him then he could have got airborne and gone into the crowd. As we saw with Alonso, and Magnussen’s crash at Spa, a crash in an F1 car is unlikely to kill the driver. So the idea of JV killing a marshall is the WHOLE POINT of the argument against Max.

  • MBP MBP

    I keep hearing RBR talk about how mature Max is, but it’s all BS, he talks a bunch of teen crap and makes it sound like that. He didn’t do two moves but just like Ocon said, waiting for the closing driver to move so you can move into him is a stupid way to go out there at high speed. Saying JV killed someone because part of their car came off is ridiculous. I can’t stand this kid, I found my new driver to hate, Maldonado is gone.

  • Maky

    Ouch.

  • Ward Paterson

    Crashtor Maldanado was so much better :p

  • Ward Paterson

    Agreed. There is “Cause” and “Result”. RS caused the incident with JV. It was not Villeneuve’s fault

  • Ward Paterson

    Villeneuve killed someone? Couldn’t be more far from the truth! It was not his fault.. It was not born from any of his actions. It was an accident
    Is everything Verstappen is doing an Accident? There’s a massive difference. This little turd should be taken to court for Deformation of Character..

  • Lord Lusos

    You are just like Max… a kid! Cheers.

  • Justus Brennan

    He’s exciting, but that only goes so far. It was exciting when the tires were so absurd a few years ago that a different team was fastest every race. Personally I got tired of that fast when it became clear that effort and skill were not providing progress. It was mostly a lottery for nearly half a season.

    And in this case Max is exciting, but if that comes at the expense of the sport itself then I have a problem with it. I don’t get the focus on the first corner. It was a racing incident. Max was extremely ambitious and it’s likely that experience would tell a driver that even if he is technically in the right not everything works out that way. Vettel clearly had no idea he was there.

    The real issue is Max’s reaction, even after the Red flag where he was able to watch the replay and see the situation he still acted vindictively. Kimi in particular was almost entirely blameless. Vettel was still also at fault in that he also played the first corner as if everything was ideal and that leaves no room for variables. Admittedly Kimi tends to be one of the fairer drivers, but a slight lock up from him and Vettel might have been in the same situation even without Max diving inside.

    Max made it very clear that he was out for payback when the red cars ruined his race. He admitted that he would rather drive them off the road. His high speed maneuver was actually far worse in my opinion than the first corner. This wasn’t an emotional moment during a battle or something brought on by a season of closing battling for championship. He just decided he was going to impede the red cars. He drove Kimi off the road and basically brake checked him at 200mph.

    It doesn’t matter if we like JV or not, I think he is right, and whether you agree or not Max’s response is disturbing in that A: It’s not comparable B: It’s horrible to use someone’s death as a tool to try to undermine his critic. Those situations are not comparable.

    Max is a fantastic talent, up there with many of the great young talents, but he is clearly a teenager and seemingly incapable or perhaps just unwilling to act reasonably in the face of danger or valid criticism.

    This will not end well. Look what happened to JB and Wehrlein. The latter was definitely at fault, but this stuff is hard even at low speeds when another driver acts unpredictably. I honestly think Max is lucky that he keeps mixing it up with the red cars and Kimi in particular. He’s not just fair he is one of the more aware drivers in my opinion and if it had been someone else I think we would have had a 200mph crash, maybe a crash in the previous race too with multiple instances of brake checking into the corners before a straight to make sure the Ferrari wasn’t able to get close on exit.

  • Dave Domenicano

    Yayy!! We have a new ”Bad-Guy” in F1

  • Kjkb

    Rumour has it Numero Fibonacci is actually Max’s granny but i think it’s daddy Jos

  • Diomede

    Well after the Formule-E fiasco I dont expect JV to ever race again so I would rather have him play golf instead.

    Verstappen is the best thing happening to F1 unless you’re keen on predictable, boring, parades. MV is causing a shakeup and for the all the right reasons. He’s no sitting duck, even if you’re fully charged & DRS, he defends, he’s ruthless, he makes you work hard for your money. That’s what I like to see.

  • bobmendon

    There’s a different from an accident causing a marshal’s death. That happens. It’s quite another to kill someone because you are skirting the regulations and using a morally unethical driving maneuver.

  • MetalQuintessence

    “As Max was closest to the apex he had right of way.”

    Nope, unless you’re on the track. Which Max wasn’t.
    He was on the kerb with all four, which is not part of the race track, it’s considered out.
    You have to be on the track to be entitled to space.

    Sky were also criticizing Max for his poor decision to dive on the inside. High risk which did not pay well.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Max was beside Kimi 30 meters before the corner, and he went off the track in the last few meters only when Kimi hit him. Get your facts straight. Also if Vettel could not see Max then likewise Max could not see Vettel. So Max didn’t need to leave Vettel room. As Max was closest to the apex he had right of way. Watch the sky F1 analysis if you want a third party opinion.

  • MetalQuintessence

    Yes, Verstappen has a point, but so does Villeneuve.
    If in the end his actions accuse the death of a marshall too what will he do then?
    Will he quit F1, will he even admit that he did wrong?

    And talking about past sins, Villeneuve actions weren’t intentionally to cause harm. There have been other cases with fatal and severe injuries to marshalls before and after that. Sadly, this job is really dangerous.

    However, unlike Villeneuve, Jos has more than once intentionally wanted to cause harm and potentially death of s/o else.
    Like the guy who ended with a cracked skull.

    And in the end, it’s whether either’s arguments have any point.
    I think that Villeneuve has a very good point this time.

    You can clearly argue that Max has been given a sort of protection.
    In Germany Rosberg was alongside with his from tyre to his rare tyre when Max made his “defending move”. Yet, despite this being in contrast with the racing regulations, where you can’t make the move if a significant portion of another car is along side you, there was no action from the stewards about that. They instead punished Rosberg.

  • MetalQuintessence

    I’ve never liked Villeneuve that much and I have disagreed with his opinion on many occasions, but this time he’s right.

    The first corner it was Vettel’s fault mostly, and he even apologized to Kimi. But it’s also true that he couldn’t see Verstappen who actually wasn’t entitled to any space bcs A. he was behind all 3 of them and mostly B he was out of the track with all 4 wheels which totally negate any rights of space. In sporting terms, not talking he should’ve been rammed into the the wall, but if he hadn’t went for the ever shrinking gap, Kimi would’ve had the kerb available and might’ve eventually evaded Vettel’s contact.

    Either way, Villeneuve is correct in his statement that Max has himself to blame just as much, if not more than either of the Ferraris.

    He made a bad start, it happens.
    His true mistake was acting desperate and going for the gap on the inside, which frankly wasn’t there. It’s a typical rookie mistake. Generally, there was no chance he was going to squeeze through there unless he hit any car, which would’ve happened between him and Kimi, even if Vettel didn’t made contact.

    But blaming the others bcs of a move that you took yourself and you know (at least you should’ve known) the risk and the likelihood of success. That’s as much on you, as it is on any other driver that you accuse he ruined your race.

    And the two times with Kimi and Sergio where he drove them out the track, that’s really not F1 racing should be about.

  • MetalQuintessence

    His father is the one who Max was taking prime example from. Judging by his past. And the fact that he has been his mentor for a long time.

  • MetalQuintessence

    He has allegedly assaulted his ex and his current gf/wife.
    Also, he cracked the skull of a guy around the 2000.
    And the recent case of assault against his father.
    I wonder how did he evade going into prison after all of these offenses?

  • MetalQuintessence

    Exactly, this and stuff like this is what proves that the many ppl who welcomed Max with reserves were actually right to question his age.

    Even kids can race karts and teens can race junior formula.

    However, it’s evident that Max hasn’t matured out of these junior formulas and still push the same tactics that were ok there.
    And with his attitude both around the press and circuits, he only proves that he really isn’t ready enough for F1. RB should also take their own share of responsibility for that.

  • MetalQuintessence

    What’s with every dutch person sending ppl who have a critical opinion of Verstappen to play golf?
    Is this a popular sport in Holland?

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    JV started it. Max responded. Now it’s Max’s fault. I thought about JV killing a marshall when I read JV’s comments. So maybe the family also thought that. If JV doesn’t want to bring that up again, maybe he should be quite. There are maybe 10 retired WDC’s that could comment on Max and all the others kept their mouths closed. But JV, as usual, shot his mouth off.

  • 92gsr

    This is why we shouldn’t let children in.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    JV caused the crash with his aggressive driving. That caused the debris. That caused the death. Think about that.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Yeah because there is no such thing as a REPLAY. Unless you were at the track watching the events as they happened in front of your eyes, then you watched it on TV. So like Max, you watched it on TV. Therefore Max has as much right to comment about that as you do. When I read JV’s comments that was the second thing I thought about, after thinking about how many times JV hit someone. Max didn’t even hit someone in Spa, he was hit by Kimi.

  • bobmendon

    This guy needs to have some fist therapy out behind the paddock! What an arrogant, bombastic son of an unwed mother!

  • Carl

    Hmm, let’s see. How old was Mad Max back in 2001?… 2-3 years old. For sure he was not watching that race he is referring to himself. Could it be his father that is tutoring him on how to “respond” to this and that statement, after each crazy kamakazee move that he executes?
    If so he should probably start to take advice from someone that is not convicted and senteced for crime of voilence against women…before he too will commit something very very stupid.

  • Diomede

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/628601/max-is-a-stap-too-far-for-f1/

    Do i need to add anything here? JV, the pinnacle of F1, and his “valid” opinions claimed MV’s debut in F1 was a insult. Yet you take him serious? lol.

  • Bill Cape Coral

    Max Verstrappen I call you a child because you act like a child. The best thing that could happen to you is to be removed from Formula One and let a respectful deserving driver take your place.

    You father must hang his head in shame at how much of child you act like and if not then your father is nothing but a failed scumbag.

  • Bill Cape Coral

    The Child Max Verstrappen needs to get his little arse kicked. The Child Max Verstrappen is letting his alligator mouth over load his canary arse.

  • Doesn’t mean he’s wrong though – and he isn’t. In fact his opinion is way more valid than any your will have.

  • zke007

    JV is a moron
    Max is stupid

  • Diomede

    Villeneuve is an idiot. There’s like 6 or 7 of his Verstappen rants on this site now. Go play golf Jacques…. your time is over.

  • Wow ! My estimation of Verstappen has just dropped dramatically after that stupid, idiotic statement !
    What a dick !

    Villeneuve wasn’t responsible for that marshalls death as it was his cars debris.
    And does it ever cross Max’s mind that Villeneuve might be worrying about how dangerous Max has been BECAUSE of that incident ?

    I suppose as he’s 18 we should give him some flexiblity but if he wants to live in the big boys world then he can suck it up. Prick.

  • Lord Lusos

    You are totallly lost and baddly advise kid! Grow up boy, you are the one who should be respectful to the family of the deceased Marshall!

  • Guillermo De Simone

    Max, sober is not the answer to critics despite you agree with them or not. But remembering a disgrace like that… maybe you drive like the best, but definitively your parents should invested more on your education!

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