2017 F1

Mercedes make a play for Alonso

Mercedes make a play for Alonso

Mercedes make a play for Alonso

As Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg continue their feud, one of the Mercedes GP drivers could lose their place in the team to Fernando Alonso.

Hamilton and Rosberg’s in-house rivalry could soon be a thing of the past for Mercedes judging by their views on Alonso at the British GP.

The Spaniard started the race ninth and was running behind Williams’ Felipe Massa in 10th when he lost control and ran through the gravel, making light contact with the barriers.

Alonso was able to recover to the circuit but dropped down the order following the incident, and eventually finished the race in 13th position.

Mid-race, Mercedes hailed the Alonso’s composure in a beaming message on their official Twitter feed after he avoided the car colliding with a wall.

Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has publicly warned the pair that they risk suspension if the recent collisions caused at the Spanish and Austrian races were to be repeated.

That friction may soon open the door for Alonso, who was the second-fastest lap at Silverstone behind Rosberg, to succeed one of the feuding drivers. (Above report originally posted on Marca.com by Richard Buxton.)

Alonso could replace Rosberg at Mercedes, says Wolff

Last month Wolff revealed Fernando Alonso could be an option for the team if they are unable to negotiate a new deal with Nico Rosberg.

Rosberg is reportedly out of contract at the end of the 2016 Formula One season after having signed a “multi-year” extension in 2014.

Wolff said it was a “priority” to tie championship-leader Rosberg to a new deal, but admitted they will consider Alonso should the German driver decide to leave.

“Fernando is one of the best drivers in history and I like his character, but our priority now is Nico,” Wolff told El Mundo.

“If [Rosberg] does not want to renew, then we will consider other options, like Fernando.

“[Alonso’s] age is not a problem – his speed and his motivation are still there.”

Wolff also revealed Alonso held talks about joining Mercedes two years ago before the Spaniard signed with McLaren after five years at Ferrari.

“Fernando explored his options and one of them was Mercedes,” he added.

“He spoke to us, but we could not negotiate as we promised Lewis [Hamilton] that while we tried to renew his deal we would not talk with other drivers and we did not.”

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92 Comments
  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Hey, turtle, this is the moment when you come here and admit that you were wrong.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    You shifted the topic of discussion. And you have no proof of your point. Just accusations. And in the face of facts you are silent.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    What has that got to do with Mercedes needing Hamilton in a tight season, as Nico can’t race under pressure? And as for that incident, Lewis said that the team pressured him into making that statement, the guy who did that was fired from McLaren, and Lewis said almost immediately afterwards that he would never let a team pressure him into lying again. So you are the one on crack.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    How does 2009 have anything to do with the driving skills of Lewis versus Nico in a tight race? What crack are you on?

  • MetalQuintessence

    Bruce McLaren, not McClaren. -_-

  • MetalQuintessence

    “When Schumacher was Rosberg`s teammate he lost 3 years in a row simply because he was too old to compete with him and they really were not in the same league.”

    First year he lost, the latter two just take a look at how many times each driver retired from a race and do the math. 😛

    While you’re at it why not take a look at Canada 2011 and Monaco the same year where he overtook Hamilton on the hairpin. Yeah, he also beat Vettel a few times in RoC, but then again I guess Vettel is not a match for Rosber… sarcasm btw.

    Of course that every one gets older, but Schumacher still wasn’t past his time even past 40 while he was at Merc.

    As for the museum in McLaren, Button did a stellar performance in Austria, yet the criticisms about is age doesn’t stop. Funny how no one cared about age while Barrichello was driving around, guess mediocre drivers gets mediocre criticism, while the better the driver is the more shit he gets. 😛

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I am not attacking you. Just your ludicrous opinion. Just your ignorant foolish uninformed and illogical opinion. Just your opinion that you have formed based on almost no knowledge of the facts. Just the opinion you keep on pumping despite evidence that it is wrong. Your opinion is crazy. But you are an awesome person. Now please change your opinion to match your person. Have an awesome opinion not the crazy one that you keep on expressing here. I look forward to you changing your opinion, because man your opinion is ludicrous.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Funny that you said that I am a certain type of person, and did not separate what I said from who I am. You said that I was angry and not that my words were angry. You think that what a person says is that person. Interesting. I can emphatically tell you that the two are different. A person’s opinion and position can even change after they view more facts, etc. Yet, the person is the same person. If you cannot separate the two, then I can’t help ya 🙂

    Can you even see that you are doing what you accuse me of? As I said, you are not an idiot, just your words. You are no ludicrous, just your opinion. You are not a fool, just everything that you say. Hey, you are right, you are not your words, your actions, your opinions, your statements. Even though they all come from you, they are not you. Wow you are a genius.

    Also I have to compliment you (or your words, as they are not you) for shifting the discussion away from Alonso and McLaren and where you were wrong, and all about me. You have followed the clear internet troll path. Make a false statement, when it is attacked with facts call it an “opinion” and then shift the focus to attacking the person who presented facts that do not agree with you. It is a predictable path designed to avoid the fact that you are wrong.

    Now back to Alonso and McLaren, many teams choose a slower driver who earns less points than their main driver. They know that the #2 driver will earn less points. So there is nothing in the past that suggests that McLaren would not hinder Alonso if they wanted him to be the #2 driver. And there is a lot of evidence stated by McLaren (not Alonso) that they did this to Alonso.

    So how about you comment on the topic, and leave the personal attacks out of this?

  • Hassan Davis

    Now I do understand. You think that what a person says is that person. Interesting.

    I can emphatically tell you that the two are different.

    A person’s opinion and position can even change after they view more facts, etc. Yet, the person is the same person.

    If you cannot separate the two, then I can’t help ya 🙂

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    FYI the drivers in GP2 usually race on the same tracks as F1, so Lewis knew most of the tracks. But having 11,000 km up on Alonso in the McLaren, well that is priceless. Maybe you don’t know that Schumacher used to practice in Fiorano for days on end, not letting his team mate in the car. To get that special advantage that you can have from pushing a car in a non racing situation to see how it reacts in all scenarios. I guess you can’t fathom how much that helped Lewis. And FYI Lewis didn’t beat Alonso. If you take out the incidents where McLaren favored Lewis, he beat Lewis. And as a minimum they were equal on points. Only a fool calls that beating someone.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Ok let me say this then. You are a great person, super smart. And anyone who says what you say is ludicrous. Anyone who thinks about F1 the way you have thought about F1 is clearly a fool. Anyone who believes the things that you have said here that you believe, is an idiot. But you my fine man are a great guy!

    In fact I would say that I think you severely underestimate the reality of F1 and what happened in the McLaren team when Alonso was there. To infer that McLaren didn’t favor Lewis, well, that is ludicrous. Furthermore, to suggest that McLaren didn’t alter Alonso’s car to make Lewis win is also ludicrous. The truth is the team favored Alonso, no matter how much ‘spin’ you’d like to apply to the numbers :-).

    Hey this is fun. You just insult everything the person says, but not the person. I get it now. Wow that is not insulting them, it is just insulting their intelligence, their thinking, their point of view. But it is not insulting them. Wow you are a genius.

  • Hassan Davis

    You are missing the point entirely. Expressing a difference of opinion is not an attack against a person. Most everyone knows this.

    It appears that you do not. So, I am trying to explain:

    When someone has a difference of opinion from you, you are attacking not merely their side of view, but, you attack their very person by calling them (not their position) stupid, or stating that you, somehow do not respect them (although you know them not), or, tossing out other flippant responses against their person.

    Look back at the posts most people are making versus your own. Observe the mostly respectful manner in which most posters converse (even with difference of opinion). Contrast that with your own posts.

    If you are honest with yourself, you will see that posters who have an opinion contrary to your own simply express their opinion without an attempt to disrespect you as a person.

    On the other hand, your posts have a much more anger-bent. And, to my point, many of your posts volley disrespect at the posters who never lent a hint of disrespect to you.

    Laters….

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Let me show you some of YOUR personal passive aggressive attacks:

    “I think you severely underestimate the…”

    “To infer that… well, that is ludicrous.”

    “Furthermore, to suggest… is also ludicrous”

    “…no matter how much ‘spin’ you’d like to apply to the numbers :-)”

    This is from ONE post from you. All comments designed to insult me, and NOT about the facts.

    It’s OK, I know who you are, how you behave, and why you are coming here acting like I am the bad guy.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    You could say that me responding with facts that disagree with them is an opinion that I am allowed to give. I notice that YOU have attacked MY opinion when I replied to you. What you mean is this, you can say whatever you want, I can only reply in a nice way, and if I don’t then you can attack me. Got it.

    BTW if you didn’t get it, YOUR message now is a PERSONAL attack against me. I get it. You want to have one set of rules for you and another for me. You want to say that McLaren didn’t hinder Alonso, and when I disagree (express a different opinion) you want to be able to attack me for that.

    It’s OK, it’s called being a passive aggressive poster. You post an opinion, someone disagrees with the facts, and you subtle attack them over and over again. You digress from the facts and make it personal. All to ignore the fact that you are wrong. Your initial statement is never given as an opinion. It is given as a fact. And when it is shown to be wrong, suddenly it becomes an opinion and you are allowed to express your opinion.

    Here is an opinion. You are wrong and you can’t accept that fact.

  • Hassan Davis

    You do it with others in the forum, as I have noticed. And you’ve just answered me here. You consider a difference of opinion as a personal attack and thereby personally attack the poster.

    Allow me to inform you that someone holding a differing opinion (whether correct or incorrect) does not mean that they are against you, yourself. Nor does a reply contrary to your own indicate a personal attack from another.

    Notice that in reply to you, most others do not attempt to speak negatively of your person. You are more than your opinion (we would all hope).

    I hope that you find some joy and find less gratification in attacking others.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    If you can’t see the similarities then you are dumb or intentionally pretending to not see it to prove your point. And teams DO tell their number 2 driver to move over to let their #1 driver win. By hindering Alonso SLIGHTLY, McLaren were doing the equivalent of moving him to a #2 driver position. They didn’t make him not drive, they just gave him more fuel for qualifying, let Lewis qualify last on the slightly faster track, changed his tire pressures to make Alonso qualify in P2 rather than P1. That SLIGHT difference still didn’t stop Alonso equaling Lewis on points. And it did happen. They did it. These facts are known. You can talk as much as you want about hypotheticals, but these things actually happened.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Why are you so keen to come here and attack everything I say? Haaaaaa. Sheeesh. Wow. Yawn. If someone has a FALSE WRONG view, why can’t I comment on that? Like someone who says that Alonso WILL be gone from F1 next year, and when they are wrong? Silence. Why can’t I point out the BS they speak, the anger they have against Alonso? Where is that a rule? Oh I get it, you made that up because you are wrong and hate being proven wrong.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Spying when caught causes a $100m fine. That has also been proven. Which is not to the benefit of the team. And hindering Alonso SLIGHTLY gives the team the WDC and the Constructors, while letting Lewis win. Which backfired as Kimi won, but at the time the hinderance was done, it seemed like McLaren were going to win everything.

    Ferrari chose 2nd rate drivers to Schumacher, hindering their points score. Proven. But you will ignore that fact to promote your agenda. It’s just a boring story.

  • Hassan Davis

    Spying does go on. This has been proven. Teams do it in an ‘attempt’ to gain an advantage for the team.

    That further proves my point: teams do things for their advantage and do not do things to intentionally hinder their gains.

  • Hassan Davis

    We are just talking about F1, a game, a sport. Why are you so angry and vindictive towards those here who share a different view than you? Sheesh

  • Hassan Davis

    Intentionally hiring a number one and a number two driver is not a form of favoritism but a choice for team dynamics. Even in that case, the team will not prevent the #2 driver from gaining points (that would be stupid given the monetary and generally positional gain from each point). What they are doing is hiring a 2nd driver that they figure is less capable than their lead driver.

    This is a totally different scenario that you should consider.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    And when Alonso is still in F1 next year and you are wrong? My guess is you won’t be having that conversation. You will be silent. Big talk when you can’t be proven wrong and silence when you are proven wrong.

  • Touche Turtle

    So many words just to try to justify his behaviour.
    Acted as a hooligan and then try to justify his words, saying things he can not prove. So sad.
    He is just an Alonso fan boy trying to insult people with another point of view.
    This conversation is over.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Hey why do you have this greyed out profile name? Posting as a guest? Posting then deleting the comment to stop people seeing your profile? What are you so afraid of? Reminds me of someone who used to always have his profile private, so that he could argue with many different people over the internet, and no one could see that. He would claim that he never argued, but I found out he had a group of people that he would target for regular Disqus battles.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Now that I have some toilet time, what you have said is that the tires balanced out the car disadvantage, which means Alonso was comparable with the Mercedes cars. And he was about as fast as Nico. (Lewis was saving his engine so not pushing) which proves my point that he is still a top driver. Thanks for confirming that my argument was valid. Much appreciated.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    It’s OK, I get your point. It proves nothing.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Lewis raced on many of the tracks in GP2. And he didn’t beat Alonso, they were equal on points. And if you factor in the issues Alonso had with the team, he was not beaten. And guess what? Lewis is now a 3 x WDC so you would expect him to be great in the car. Like Max is doing now. But if you think that 11,000 km in a car before Alonso has driven the car makes Lewis a rookie, is INSANE.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    The tire pressure alteration was BEFORE the FIA appointed their representative there. It was one of the reasons that Alonso said to Ron that he would reveal their cheating. After that the FIA put a representative in the team. McLaren admitted that the tire pressures were wrong, but said it was a mistake. A mistake that they had never made before, and never made again. And Alonso protested in Hungary BY STAYING in the pits to stop Lewis. You can google it.

    It’s all OK. You have no actual understanding of the facts. You cherry pick the bits you want. You are just looking for a fight as I have attacked your lies and your ignorance before. So let’s just get something straight. McLaren messed with Alonso’s car, then he called in the FIA, and that proves that McLaren never messed with his car? Wow you can’t even get basic time lines right. How can I even waste toilet time on such a fool.

    I guess you are like Ron Dennis, who had 120 engineers sign a document to the FIA that they never got any Ferrari secrets, and even went to the FIA himself with Alonso’s claims, as he was so sure that Alonso was wrong. And then $100m later, and him leaving McLaren F1, he found out that Alonso was actually telling the truth! Haaaaa. Like other things Alonso said that year. True. Even if you don’t get it. Shame you can’t be fined $100m for your ignorant arrogance.

  • Watcher

    Next time you use Google, do not click on fantasy web pages. Stick with serious sources. NO team would change tire pressures on their own driver’s car consciously with the purpose to make his car slower. If you really think so, there is only one guy that thinks the same – Mr. Alonso. In the last race of 2007 season, Alonso was so paranoid that McLaren are going to mess with his car that
    he demanded some sort of independent adjudicator be present in the
    garage. No one ever proved any wrongdoing of McLaren team towards Alonso. Now famous Ron’s quote “We are racing Alonso” is no proof that they did altered tire pressure on Alonso’s car. But maybe you know more than F1 committee which did not find any evidence to support that. By the way, Alonso was not protesting in Hungary, he deliberately and treacherously stayed in the pits to hamper Lewis changes for pole position. That is a fact, you can google it, but again do not click on fantasy pages!

  • Watcher

    Wow. What we have learned today?! It is that easy. Let’s put any driver to a test car, let him do 11,000 km and next season he will beat two time world champion in the same car (that is not the exact car in which he did thousands of km of testing) on tracks he has never driven before. Now I believe I might sound boring to you, because you sure sound like someone on mushrooms.

  • Watcher

    Looks like you have not been watching F1 for ages. New tires give them 1.5-2.0 sec easily compared to worn tires. Given the fact that McLaren’s car is around 2 sec slower than Mercs, new tires at the end of the race actually gave him chance to score 2nd fastest lap time. Few laps later he was even lighter on fuel, but his lap times were 1.7 sec slower than his best time. I never said Alonso is a hack. I said him posting a good lap time on new tires at the end of the race warrants no credit for him. It’s funny to follow how you tend to incline to exaggeration once you are out of arguments and facts. Really funny. Keep it coming 🙂

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    It’s OK you can spin it how you want. Learn to spell McLaren and I might take you seriously. Actually I won’t. There are so many examples of a team favoring one driver over another, that if you don’t know about this in F1, then I can’t help you. But here is one. Ferrari intentionally hired 2nd rate drivers to allow Schumacher to always win. That gave them a lot less points. Look it up. Then ask some of your friends who know about F1 to tell you about it. Then come back here and say “Yes F1 teams sometimes favor one driver at the detriment of another driver. I was wrong.” Until then you are just a talker with no knowledge. And here is another fact. McLaren were willing to lose Lewis to Mercedes, but offered Alonso $40m to race for them. And they had all the data on the two drivers. So who do they think is the better driver?

  • Hassan Davis

    I think you severely underestimate the money and prestige gained from EVERY SINGLE point, position, and win that an F1 team gains.

    To infer that any F1 team would intentionally hinder the success of either of their drivers when every single point matters, well, that is ludicrous.

    Furthermore, to suggest that McClaren would not do everything in its power to extract every pound from the hefty sum invested in Alonso is also ludicrous.

    The stats show that in equal machinery, Alonso was at least equaled by a rookie who went on the claim the championship the following year.

    That stands as public record, no matter how much ‘spin’ you’d like to apply to the numbers 🙂

  • Hassan Davis

    Very well said

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Like I said, in 6 months time when Alonso is still with McLaren and still in F1, and you are WRONG, will you have the balls to admit you are wrong? I highly doubt it.

    You don’t talk like you have an opinion, you act like you know what will happen. Here is what a polite person says: “I believe that someone is trying to convince us Alonso is still desired by other teams. In my opinion it is too late and he is going to be retired at the end of this year.” But you didn’t say that, did you?

    You are one of those people that shoots their mouth off, then when they are wrong, just disappears. I will be happy to see you here in 6 months time saying you are wrong. But I won’t hold my breath.

    Like all those people who said Lewis would never win a race after leaving McLaren. They were ranting over and over again how Lewis was a fool. They attacked anyone who suggested otherwise. Called them a Lewis fanboy. And now, they keep quiet. Looking forward to seeing if you are a man who stands by his statements, or pathetically vanishes when he is wrong.

  • Touche Turtle

    Keep trying Alonso’s hooligan.
    I have unveiled your impolite behaviour. This is not your website so you need to learn to not offend other people with different opinions. Do you think you will have the right opinion insulting other persons? You are wrong. You should be more humble knowing your poor knowledge of F1. What you are is just an Alonso’s fan boy.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Such a smart comment on so many levels. Not worth discussing, other than to say that it is refreshing to read something based on reality and not just pushing an agenda. You know F1 in this situation and it is pleasing to read your thoughts.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Nice to see you don’t quote facts, just the sound of your own voice.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Got it. So he is a washed up hack who will be out of F1 at the end of the year? Good to see that you are on top of it! I am here to learn from your wisdom. Of course new tires alone make up for a terrible car and no proof that Alonso isn’t washed up. Just bolt on new tires and anyone can drive fast!

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Lewis did thousands of km. Not 1,000 km. Learn to read. Some estimate he did 11,000 km of testing in the prior year. So he knew THE CAR better than Alonso. Actual racing talent doesn’t need years in F1. Look at Max for example. So once again you have no idea. Just wildly incorrect accusations without facts, followed by a personal insult. Boring.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually that would make the team look bad. But changing strategy or tire pressure to suit Lewis makes Alonso look bad. And those things happened. As for paranoid, Ron Dennis at one point said “We are racing Alonso.” Hardly paranoia. And Hungary? Alonso was protesting the team giving Lewis a favourable strategy. Maybe you need to brush up on your F1 history or use Google a bit more.

  • Adie Carson

    Yep, I’m going to take Mr Smith’s advice and ignore your incoherent dribble.

  • Adie Carson

    Yes, I agree that winning is – as it should be – their priority. However, it’s the infrastructure of F1 which provides a vehicle for both of them to continue their brand building. Consequently, I feel that the condition of F1 is indeed a concern to both. I also agree that Ferrari – for all the promise they displayed earlier – now seem to be sliding backwards. Can’t imagine that Mr Vettel is too happy about that despite his PR stance. It does seem at times though that their current problems result from a rather too hurried approach. I’m not too sure about your assertion that Mercedes is making Hamilton a champion. Mr Rosberg has the same equipment yet he’s been unable to do what Hamilton has managed to do. I’ve no doubt that Hamilton will only move when he’s satisfied that Ferrari have got their act together, or can do with his input. It worked for him when he moved from McLaren to Merc, despite all the doomsayers. I still feel that a Vettel/Hamilton line up would be a promoter’s and marketing departments dream. It’s the showdown that many want to see. Yes, Vettel has a veto on teammates, but how does he save face and veto Hamilton at the same time.

  • Watcher

    No. The fact is Alonso and Lewis hated each other. It was clearly visible during Quali in Hungary. Towards the season ending, Alonso got completely paranoid towards his team. If they did not want him to win, nothing would have been easier for them than introducing some mechanical “failure” on Alonso’s car. The fact is he had ZERO DNFs that year…

  • Watcher

    Team always favors the faster driver. Building a fast car is their life 24/7 and they obviously want to see the best driver in it to win it all. And they have all the telemetry and stuff to clearly tell who is faster. Alonso was two time world champion with millions of fans rooting for him and McLaren paid hefty 30+ mil. € per season to get him. But according to you, despite Alonso being faster, they still decided to favor slower Lewis for whatever reason. I smell BS.

    Saying that 1000 km of testing on testing tracks in last year‘s McLaren prepares Lewis for his first ever F1 season way better than Alonso’s 5 year real F1 racing experience on all race tracks and two consecutive world titles is a complete delusion on YOUR side.

    Anyway, how the cleansing diet works for you? Based on your BS above, I guess it has some side effects after all… Wink 😉

  • Watcher

    Hello Fibo, here we meet again 🙂

    Even though I admit that Alonso still got it, his 2nd fastest lap time in the last race proves NOTHING. All the guys from top ten pitted 34-37 laps before the finish. Alonso pitted 12 laps before the finish line and set the 2nd fastest time 4 laps after his pit stop.

    He was in fact light on fuel AND had FRESH tires while all the good drivers in fast cars simply had quite worn tires at that stage or decided to save the engine (Lewis).

    If he pitted like others some 35 laps before the finish and still set 2nd fastest time, he would then deserve the credit. But not like this…

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Mercedes didn’t KNOW in advance that they would win with both drivers. But as Nico has proven, in a fight he is hopeless. Like Monaco in the wet, or Silverstone in the wet. NOTHING. If it had stayed wet in last weekend’s race, Nico would have finished 4th and Lewis would have finished 1st. That is why they need Lewis. For the challenge they cannot predict might come from the other teams.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    No, it’s just that I’ve been on these forums for years, and each year I see people shoot their mouths off, then when they are wrong they go quite. Like all those people who said Max Verstappen was too young to be in F1. For MONTHS they were everywhere arguing their case, then when he has been dominating… silence. None of them have the balls to admit when they are wrong. Two years ago I saw all the comments about Alonso leaving Ferrari and he would have nowhere to go and would be out of F1. Then he signed for $40m a year for 3 years at McLaren. And all those people? NOTHING. Silence. It is a joke to see that each year, all the BS talk, and then the silence when people can’t admit they are wrong. I am guessing you are one of those people, because seriously, your comment is in line with the BS like Max is too young for F1, or Alonso will be out of F1 after Ferrari. It will be something I can’t prove until next year. And next year you will be silent, hiding that you were wrong.

  • Touche Turtle

    It seems my opinion hurts you and you are trying to offend me.
    Nice attempt but you failed, keep trying.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    If the team didn’t favour Lewis then Alonso would have won that battle. Also Lewis had a year of testing in that car before he raced Alonso. That was back in the days when teams did thousands of km of testing. Alonso had almost none of that time in the car as he joined in January. So Lewis was actually way better prepared than Alonso. And they still finished on the same points. So not a clear defeat of Alonso by Lewis. Also FYI I am a huge Lewis fan, but I am also a fan of the truth.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    It would be nice if you can come back here in 6 months time and say “I was wrong.” But I doubt you have the balls.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    I was following the sport at that time and no where did this mysterious promise you talk of appear. Other than in the mouths of journalists who had no idea. Alonso never mentioned it. Ron Dennis never mentioned it. There was never evidence of it granted in Alonso’s contract. Rather what was discussed was how the team alternated who got low fuel for qualifying and therefore the first pit stop. (If you recall they qualified in race fuel load back then). That is NOT the action of a team that has given one driver a #1 status. So all you are doing is talking without substance. Please stop. It is boring and disrespectful of the facts.

  • Roger Flerity

    Anyone who was following the sport in 2005-2007 knows that Ron Dennis promised Alonso priority status to entice him to join McLaren – A promise he later backed off from as the team migrated to Hamilton. Whether or not Alonso ASKED for #1 status as a condition of driving for McLaren, is just semantics – IF the promise from Dennis to afford Alonso priority status influenced him to sign, it is implied as a condition that brought him to the team, thus could be considered an indirect demand. It is well established that this issue was the spark that fired the mess between Alonso and the team (and Dennis), so it was at least of some importance to Alonso. No matter, as Alonso was treated badly by Dennis and the team, undeservedly, while Hamilton was magically blessed. McLaren deserved everything that happened to it in 2007, the team was a train wreck.

  • Roger Flerity

    Interesting points, and interesting to think of. However, IMHO (just that, nothing more)… Merc and Hamilton care more about winning than anything else. The condition of F1 is not their concern, and must be resolved by F1 and the FIA. Further, I don’t see Ferrari building a winning car for some time to come, they are still as lost as ever. That said, Hamilton is not making the Mercedes a winner, the Mercedes is making Hamilton a champion. If he moves to Ferrari before Ferrari pulls out of their latest dry streak, he will lose to whoever takes his seat in the silver platter car. Until he can be sure to be provided a competitive red car, he ain’t going to move. That is not going to happen in 2017, or 2018, unless something unforeseen pops out of the works. That makes the earliest he might consider a move, and Ferrari a real challenge at the front is 2019. By that time, anything can happen, including emerging new talents, Red Bull resurgence, McLaren/Honda actually succeeding, etc…. I’d bet money on Verstappen winning the WDC in a resurgent Red Bull, Hamilton taking at least two more championships in the silver platters, or Alonso pulling off a WDC in a surprise attack by McLaren (preceding his retirement) – before Ferrari sees any of its drivers own that position. These are prospects Hamilton is unlikely to find attractive – even in his most altruistic romantic, gung ho, everything and anything for F1 mood.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    If you think that then you are delusional. The team plays the British National Anthem when they win a race. Because they are a British team, run by a British man called Ron Dennis. Who was the issue when Lewis was there against Alonso. But hey, if you want to live in your dream world, do that.

  • MFranco

    McLaren was a New Zealander, a team is not English because it is based in England. Or if it is then Mercedes Benz is no longer German and Red Bull’s not Austrian.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actual events well documented proved otherwise. McLaren also stole Ferrari secrets costing them $100m. Would a team do that? They did. I don’t have to believe in the facts. They are the facts. Maybe McLaren stealing Ferrari secrets was the actions of a few rogue employees. Maybe the team hindering Alonso was also the actions of a few rogue employees. But it did happen.

  • Hassan Davis

    Exactly

  • Hassan Davis

    He’d get the better of Hamilton? Have you forgotten 2007, wherein Hamilton tied with Alonso, despite it being Hamilton’s debut year? Past record shows that Hamilton slightly edges out Alonso.

  • Hassan Davis

    And you really believe that a team trying to win the Constructor’s Championship would sabotage ANY of its drivers? It does not happen and will never happen. Teams put EVERYTHING they can into both cars. Their very survival (sponsorship and points) depends on that.

  • Hassan Davis

    Agreed!

  • Hassan Davis

    Don’t forget that Hamilton and Alonso raced wheel-to-wheel when they were both at McClaren (Hamilton’s F1 debut year)

  • Adie Carson

    I’m not convinced, try this, just for conversational purposes. Certain segments of the pit lane, the suits ($$$$) and the punters are more than a little annoyed at the predictability of F1 these days. In the medium term that doesn’t bode well for Merc. Ferrari have an impatient Tiffosi to appease, not to mention a certain Mr Vettel. Consequently they are obliged to get their reliability issues resolve in a bit of a hurry. Kimi is on a one year extension and it’s fair to say that Hamilton might want to end his career with a WDC in a red car. He’s won WDC’s with two different teams, should he win with a third team it definitively cements his status as one of the all time greats. Think of the appeal – again $$$$ – of watching Hamilton and Vettel having a ding dong for a couple of years. Just my thoughts.

  • Roger Flerity

    Why? As long as the Merc is the dominant team/car, why would he consider moving? Ferrari are not going to be near Mercedes pace for another 3 to 4 seasons, it’s their legacy to live out these long dry spells before finding a new path. They have not found the path yet… so Merc will remain the team to beat, and Hamilton’s home for some time to come.

  • Adie Carson

    Wouldn’t surprise me to see Hamilton and Vettel together in the red cars in 2018

  • Adie Carson

    Wehrlein is crapping on himself. Don’t hold your breath for Merc to be backmarkers.

  • Adie Carson

    Maybe both, plus dangerously naive.

  • Carl Smith

    Ignore this guy. He is either trolling or a pathetic hater!

  • Carl Smith

    Alonso may be the best, But the best signing for any team right now will be Max Verstapen.

  • Adie Carson

    Rosberg is and always will be a supporting act. Ever since their karting days Hamilton had Rosberg’s number. How many WDC’s does Rosberg have? ZERO! Hamilton has three, and counting. Practically every credible motorsports journalist together with current and former F1 drivers acknowledge Hamilton’s supreme skills.I guess all those must also be deluded.

  • Dave Domenicano

    I think you have no idea what you’re talking about… Nico faster than Fernando?! You’re funny!

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Lewis never demanded #1 status. Ron Dennis and the BRITISH team gave that to Lewis. Toto has said for 2 years that Alonso is one of the best drivers in F1, not just now but in history. He has said that while Nico has been under contract. Maybe you see these comments as new, but they are years old. Lewis and Alonso have said for YEARS that they don’t have an issue, never had an issue, and it was the team. There are also documented event where McLaren favored Lewis, and admitted “mistakes” like giving Alonso the wrong tire pressure so that he qualified 1 second slower than Lewis. You can call it allegations, but they are facts. And you cannot get past Ron Dennis saying publicly that McLaren are racing against Alonso. Therefore whatever you say, it does not match reality. The reality is that for years Toto has admired Alonso, Lewis and Alonso have no issues, and neither Lewis or Alonso want #1 status. You are just wrong. You can either get over it or keep arguing a lost cause. Your choice.

  • zke007

    Mercedes are so full of themselves. They just talked up Pascal Wehrlein, now they crap on him.
    Can’t wait for Mercedes to be back markers fast enough.
    Then they’ll get out.

  • Touche Turtle

    Well. You know, this is F1 and someone is trying to convince us Alonso is still desired by other teams.
    However it is too late and he is going to be retired at the end of this year.

  • Touche Turtle

    Agreed. Alonso’s desire to have #1 status in a team as McLaren which doesn’t agree with that kind of policy spoiled everything in 2007. McLaren lost both championship and even got a huge fine.
    McLaren does not have #1 and #2 drivers. Everyone knows it but Alonso’s fan boys still think the problem was McLaren only.
    He provoked all the problems with his attitude. Same attitude he has had in every team he has been. It’s a shame.
    Ron Dennis words consider him as enemy were said only after Alonso went to FIA to blow the espionage.

  • Roger Flerity

    Uh huh. And Hamilton is not going to demand #1 status again? and Toto Wolf has proven himself so good at managing conflicts between team mates? As far as accusations of sabotage by the team against Alonso, that as all media generated malarkey. Hamilton is as more of an antagonist today than he was then – bolstered by his success. There is no way Alonso will ever feel he has equal billing at Merc., and that is important to him, can’t change the spots on that cat. Like I said, not going to happen. Wolfs comments are more targeted at Nico’s contract negotiation than any real interest. Now, should Hamilton be the one out of Merc., Alonso would indeed be a grand choice.

  • Adie Carson

    “Hamilton’s drama” has given Merc two championships and McLaren one. He’s one point behind Rosberg after a having a number of mechanicals this year. You are correct in saying Hamilton causes problems, but that is solely as a result of his immense skill.

  • Tony Chrampanis

    This article is so full of BS it’s not really worth an answer. Dieter Zetsch Chairman of The Board at Daimler and Head of Mercedes Benz Cars said personally that Pascal Wehrlein is the future of Mercedes F1. If Toto Wolff thinks managing Alonso will be easier than Rosberg he’s clearly on something. While Alonso is a great driver he is one of the most destabilizing characters in F1 history.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Alonso never asked for #1 status. He asked for the team to stop giving Lewis the #1 status. Alonso had the second fastest time in the race just gone by. Get that? His lap time was second fastest in a car that can’t always qualify in the top ten. That was LAST WEEKEND. How is that for a used by date?

  • Adam Manning

    Does it have to be Alonso?

    Fernando is contracted to McLaren for 2017, and would rock the boat with Lewis, who doesn’t remember 2007 – Even if they are now both 10 years older and wiser.

    Would Jenson not be the better option on a 12 month deal?

    He knows many of the team members form the BAR/Honda/Brawn days and has a good working relationship with Lewis.

    When the 2018 negotiations come up, if he does well he stays, if not, Alonso would be much cheaper as he would be out of contract, Riccardo or Verstappen might be available and Wehrlein will have another years experience.

  • McSerb

    You seem to be having trouble heating up your brain, like Ferrari with their tires. Alonso is way past his prime and he is not even as quick as he was. When Schumacher was Rosberg`s teammate he lost 3 years in a row simply because he was too old to compete with him and they really were not in the same league.
    Alonso was never keen on “equal treatment”, he demanded #1 status.
    Button is famous for saying useless or even stupid things, like McLaren making their best car ever in 2013 (it proved to be one of their three worst of all time).
    Alonso is no longer a top 3 driver and things will only get worse with time. The days you still seem to be living in are history. Next time you want to buy a product do yourself a favor and check the expiration date.

  • Pear Bear

    Rosberg is only quicker than Alonso because his car is quicker. Alonso would beat him every time in the same car. I’d like to see Alonso and Hamilton duelling it out in the same cars but I think Alonso would get the better of Hamilton. It would be great to see. Rosberg is just a cry baby. They should get rid of him and sign Fernando.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Actually the problem was McLaren and not the drivers. Alonso was treated like a #2 and that is what caused the problems. Ron Dennis said during that year “We are racing against Alonso.” He was talking about Lewis in a race. He saw Alonso as the enemy. The whole team wanted Lewis to win. They messed with Alonso’s tire pressures, gave him worse strategies, ignored him at the team headquarters. Alonso and Lewis have said for years that they had no issue that year. It was all Ron Dennis. That is why Ron was forced out of the team for many years.

  • Leonardo Pisano Bigollo

    Honda in the V8 era had an under powered thirsty engine. Mercedes had the best V8. Nothing has changed in the V6 era. McLaren could not build a consistently winning car with the Mercedes V8, they will struggle as much with the Honda V6.

  • Smee

    All that “thinking” heating up the brain. You are dreaming. Rosberg not even in his league. Alo is the best driver on the grid.. With equal treatment he will beat Hammy.. Even Button admits he is the best teammate he’s ever had..

  • Roger Flerity

    Not even a remote chance this happens. Alonso and Hamilton? The two made worse team members than the current child pairing, In fact, the Alonso/Hamilton pairing was possibly one of the worst in F1’s history, and with Hamilton now positioned to demand the #1 status? Alonso #2? Yeah, right…

  • Touche Turtle

    No, no, no.
    Mercedes is not interested in him. They did not hired him 3 years ago when he was younger and fast so now it does not make sense. I think do not even Woking’s team is interested to keep him one more year.
    What is the purpose to post a nice and kind of sarcastic twitter joined by old news?
    Don’t get it,

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  • walle200

    If they wanted to stop the on/off-track rivalry and ditch Nico, why throw Alonso in the mix? Remember 2007…haha

  • Alo Alo

    Rosberg is an average driver. Alonso will beat Rosberg in the same car. Id love to see Hamilton and Alonso racing wheel to wheel. Rosberg rams anyone who gets near his wheels and I wouldn’t even call that racing. McLaren wont have a competitive top 5 car before 2018 and maybe McLaren wont get there at all. Merc will be in top 5 many years to come and Alonso in a Mercedes would be the best for Alonso, Mercedes and F1 imop.

  • McSerb

    I think Rosberg is quicker than Alonso now. If they let Nico go they should give a young driver a chance. No need for a museum, like at McLaren.

  • Marti J Powell BSc

    Alonso would be crazy to go to Mercedes.
    The hard work he has been puttin in to McHonda
    is slowly delivering results
    Next year (2017) when CAN change the engine
    significantly – Honda should be BETTER than Mercedes !!!

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